tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10220498.post5187178536477423329..comments2024-03-21T15:59:25.263-05:00Comments on Math Teacher Mambo: "MTBoS"Shireen Dadmehrhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16282965851939089408noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10220498.post-9508663780666011052013-10-21T18:54:29.314-05:002013-10-21T18:54:29.314-05:00Thanks for the kind works, Jasmine. Hope your year...Thanks for the kind works, Jasmine. Hope your year is going great ... or at least has some great parts to it :).Shireen Dadmehrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16282965851939089408noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10220498.post-82340795751873379492013-10-20T21:16:43.614-05:002013-10-20T21:16:43.614-05:00I had never tweeted before going to TMC13. I ofte...I had never tweeted before going to TMC13. I often still feel like I don't quite belong even though I've met many of these folks. Your blog and Sue's have been on my blog roll for years. You have good ideas and that's what I care about! Thank you for sharing.Jasminehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14163491309269691356noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10220498.post-63574765256282303352013-09-25T20:57:15.353-05:002013-09-25T20:57:15.353-05:00Hi Sam. I guess it's not an "excluded&quo...Hi Sam. I guess it's not an "excluded" thing at all. It's more of a "we think this" type of thing. <br /><br />I am just being my usual inarticulate self and spewing off at my cranky mouth without really thinking of what is really bothering me and how what I write might sound like. Ew. This is a job for wine. Shireen Dadmehrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16282965851939089408noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10220498.post-14683961547173440672013-09-24T20:44:42.050-05:002013-09-24T20:44:42.050-05:00I wrote something similar a while ago too (http://...I wrote something similar a while ago too (http://samjshah.com/2013/06/27/my-thoughts-on-mtbos/)!<br /><br />I think the MTBoS for everyone is different. Some see it as a collection of resources. (I don't.) Some see it as a community of people. (I do.) <br /><br />You've been a constant in my own personal PLN for years. You are part of MY community!<br /><br />But if you do feel excluded, like you're missing something, not part of the cool kids skipping around, uninvited, etc... what do you think could help with that? <br /><br />I think a lot of people have put a lot of thought into ways they can make people feel included, to make people feel like they have value no matter where they are in their careers... And I know that this conversation comes up occasionally (and @j_lanier is particularly interested in it!) and it leads to some good ideas. <br /><br />(That's precisely how http://mathtwitterblogosphere.weebly.com/ was created, and why last year there was that math blogging initiation, ...)<br /><br />Are there things that you could think of that would help improve things? Make people who want to feel included actually feel and be included? (Besides the abolition of all nouns, which would be just too hard for me...)Sam Shahhttp://samjshah.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10220498.post-69405589497473690042013-09-23T19:27:59.575-05:002013-09-23T19:27:59.575-05:00Thanks for all your ideas. I totally agree with ev...Thanks for all your ideas. I totally agree with everyone that this is phenomenal the amount of sharing that goes on. On further reflection, my "beef" (or "tofu") is I guess it would grate less on my ears if things were couched as, "5 of us were thinking and we ...." versus "the MTBoS thinks and we all ..."Shireen Dadmehrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16282965851939089408noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10220498.post-23971934677129188122013-09-23T12:59:05.270-05:002013-09-23T12:59:05.270-05:00I share a lot of those reactions, all girded by a ...I share a lot of those reactions, all girded by a long held belief that the primary use of group nouns is to define boundaries and exclude. We're math people, so we know that you have to be careful with boundary conditions.<br /><br />But here's why I've started using #MTBoS. On Twitter, it's way more OPEN than making a finite list of individuals. I haven't been able to take the term blogosphere seriously since mid-2002, so I always here it with a wink and an embarrassed giggle.<br /><br />I use #MTBoS as a shorthand for "this larger community of math-focused educators I have ACCESS TO via Twitter and Blogs." As such, I very much count Sue as part of my #MTBoS, despite the fact that we've never met, teach radically different subjects and ages, and are certainly not weepy "all the feeels!" friends.<br /><br />When we use #MTBoS, especially on Twitter, we provide everyone with a clickable link to a dozen different community conversations that are WAY broader than any individual. <br /><br />Consider #MTBoS a strange new discovery,a Mobius/KlienBottle social term. Since there is no "inside," it's impossible to be excluded.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10220498.post-53333217392673963502013-09-22T22:01:24.871-05:002013-09-22T22:01:24.871-05:00I am glad that you didn't delete this post or ...I am glad that you didn't delete this post or I would not have had the chance to read it. It is a perspective that I was not aware of, but is good to know about. Maybe this is something that happens when a name is (affectionately) adopted?<br /><br />I don't think of MTBoS as a person, or a collection of people. I think of it more as a collection of places where great resources for math teaching are found, Twitter, blogs mathchats, global math ,... And, I feel that everyone who is sharing resources, or even using these resources is part of this. When the phrase MTBoS is used, I feel like it is just shorthand for all of the amazing resources that are available. I think is it sometimes personified, but I think that is just because so many people love this community of sharing and connect with it. I don't know anyone that would want to make people feel excluded, as every person that blogs or tweets is thrilled when a new blogger joins! It's why we work so hard on the blogging initiative. It is the open invitation to everyone to come and explore, and even learn more about this community that we already belong to. I think our goal is always to make everyone feel included, and I am sad that it seems to have done the opposite for some. <br /> Julie Reulbachhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05923121054271339602noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10220498.post-39919115315277862012013-09-22T21:39:42.156-05:002013-09-22T21:39:42.156-05:00Sue! I was JUST about to come home from dinner out...Sue! I was JUST about to come home from dinner out and ashamedly remove this post. I was thinking, "who's the harpy, and when did SHE inhabit my body?". <br /><br />Sigh .... oh well. I guess we're all trying to do our best, and we were NOT absent that day that sharing was taught in kindergarten.<br /><br />Hope your year is off to a great start :).Shireen Dadmehrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16282965851939089408noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10220498.post-56991165896812193912013-09-22T21:12:37.151-05:002013-09-22T21:12:37.151-05:00I feel a bit that way too...
I haven't made ...I feel a bit that way too... <br /><br />I haven't made it to the twitter math camp thing, though I'd like to. (But I don't tweet enough to qualify, if that matters.)<br /><br />I'm a college teacher, and most of these folks are high school teachers.<br /><br />My blog is a little different.<br /><br />I follow the blogs of many, many math teachers, but I don't ever feel like I fit in, when there's an in that some people fit.<br /><br />OTOH, the last post I saw mentioning MTBoS, was the rant against TPT, and I agree at some level. I like free sharing better.Sue VanHattumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10237941346154683902noreply@blogger.com